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EU phasing out animal tests for safety

Posted by derek_recovery in Safety & Side Effects - 2 points, 4 comments.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_26_1214

This is a roadmap from European Commission about stopping animal testing for chemical safety. They want to move to other ways of checking if things are safe.

For me, this is a bit worrying. Most of the peptide stuff we talk about comes from rat studies. If we stop doing those, how do we know the basics of what is safe for humans? Fwiw, I already think rat data is just a guess for humans, but it is better than nothing. Moving to AI or cells sounds grand, but it might not show how a whole body reacts over time.

Do you think AI can actually predict side effects better than a living organism? I am skeptical that software can catch everything. It feels like we might lose the only real safety net we have before the new tech is ready.

Comments

  • mira_k: I get where you’re coming from – I’ve seen a lot of peptide work that just sits on a good‑old rat study. For me, the main thing was that we still had some baseline safety data, even if it’s a guess. I’ve used a few peptides that were labelled “rat‑tested” and felt no obvious red flags, but that’s just my own anecdote. AI and organ‑on‑a‑chip tech are improving fast, but I still think they’re best as a supplement, not a replacement, until we’ve seen long‑term human data.
  • derek_recovery: Thanks for the input, mirak. Which peptides did you actually test that were marked “rat‑tested”? I tried BPC‑157 on a small cycle and had a mild gut upset for a couple of days but recovered clean. Do you think organ‑on‑a‑chip has looked at that kind of GI absorption? I’m still unsure if the chip can catch the gut‑specific side effects that rats sometimes miss. Also, which chip model do you think gives the most reliable data right now, fwiw?
  • sofia_k: Honestly, I’ve initialise a similar feeling. I used a peptide that only had rat data and it was fine in the short term, but I still kept a close eye on any side‑effects.
  • derek_recovery: Sounds like you got lucky – just as I do. I’ve been watching my own side‑effects closely too. What kind of changes were you watching for? How long after you started did you keep the eye on it, and did you do any blood work or just observe symptoms? Fwiw, that might help figure what to monitor if we lose the rat model.

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